The following interview was carria...

The following interview was carriageed at Robert Duncan's request in Huntington Beach, California, forward May 29, 1976. The secondary half of the interview is published here; the first half appeared in Chicago Review 43:4 (Fall, 1997)

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Robert Duncan: .You are right, Paul. It is remarkable that when